Recent tv: Fantasy edition+ SVU

[mazephoenix]

Spoilers under the cut.

Magicians is trying my patience. These people are so dumb, and selfish. God, Julia quit whining and go find that magic. Felt bad for Quentin about his dad at least.

Shannara finally killed off Rovergirl's useless dad. Thank you. James Remar and his creepy charisma was wasted here. Two eps to go, can Bennett lose his shirt some more pls?

Shadowhunters was good. Yes, I know. The Malec stuff was golden. Bishonen wizard and cute Shadowhunter guy have sparks. Clary was fairly uselful and the plot is moving.

SVU has Liv dating Tucker, once agent Taylor on Oz. Taylor got hated for doing his job and trying to catch our fave serial killer. Yes, I know. Keller was already doing life, so yeah.
Didn't Tucker try to get Liv and El fired? Water under the bridge?
I hope Barba gets a bf or gf. He's too hot to be single.

Comments

[trillingstar]

I talk about this to red_titan above: ...It was also stated that Heekins may have made the whole thing up as a way to lighten his third strike conviction sentence. Beecher may have a theory about Taylor's input, but it's unproven (Beecher even says that he can only imply it). Beecher might also be putting things to Keller in a certain way. We can't know for sure. If it had been proven that Taylor had coached Heekins to that extent, there would have been consequences; doubtful that Taylor would still be hunting down criminals at Oz. /c&p

Canonically, it hasn't been proven by a court of law that Taylor put all of the words in Heekins's mouth, and he's not saying he'd absolutely do that with Beecher either. The most that we can do is to infer things: telling Beecher Q *may* lead to more information on P, therefore M; ~rearranging Beecher's words *might* mean Taylor could then do X, followed by Y; making a deal with Beecher *could* get Taylor another interview with R; etc. My theory is that Taylor wanted any crumbs of additional information that he could get, in order to make his circumstantial evidence stronger, and in turn possibly being able to turn that into something even stronger to build his case. And yeah, they were crumbs. Maybe that should have been Taylor's cue to stop investigating. Maybe there was someone else that he could have been pursuing, or maybe Keller was just one of multiple leads he was tracking down that day. We just don't know enough information to draw absolute conclusions about Taylor's heart-of-heart motivations or how he planned on treating the information that Beecher did give him. (And I think Beecher gave away a lot more than he'd planned to, in this scene).

I'm standing by my original point, which is that how Taylor set up circumstances designed to 'scare' Beecher as a way of angling for information regarding murdered teenaged boys is in no way "no better" than torturing and murdering a bunch of people (or the other horrific acts that the other actual convicted criminals have committed). I'm disagreeing with red_titan that Taylor's actions in this particular scene with Beecher are on par with proven felonious acts from the "criminals [Taylor] was chasing."

I could talk about Ozzies all day. :D

[macaroncey.livejournal.com]

For the last part I totally agree with you. Taylor wasn't nice to try to scare Beecher but whatever, he has all the rights to do that. If Brice Tibbets or one of the othes victim was part of my family i would loved an agent like Taylor that do "not so friendly thing" to give me answers, to give me the responsable.
For the first part I'm not sure that Taylor would suffer the consequences of his actions. In real life most of the time didn't happened (MaM is an exemple but in Italy we have a lot of stories like this, we suck a bit). Maybe Toby couldn't prove is implication in the false testimony, maybe the police covered up everything. Maybe it's all false instead, Heekins is not a good witness that sometime forgets things and Toby is a really good lawyer.
In both cases is an interesting storyline.

[trillingstar]

Police/federal agents absolutely fuck things up; they're not automatons and too often people in general do things while working with incomplete reasoning and/or shady motivations. I can only hope that if Taylor (or any cop) had been directly involved in feeding a witness a story about a crime, that there would be consequences for him. I think law enforcement should be held to a high standard, too! And there are big, thorny issues in the U.S. judicial system 'machine' that lead to cops not being reprimanded/punished for their actions (or non-actions). But, all of the problems with how things sometimes play out -- for better or for worse -- can't be laid solely at Taylor's feet. IMO. :)

It is such an interesting show. I love that the characters have flaws, and layers, and what is on the surface doesn't necessarily match what is underneath... so much to deconstruct! Thanks for adding your thoughts. I really enjoyed reading them.

[macaroncey.livejournal.com]

Thanks to you for trying to understand me when I try to write in english about things different from a recipe XD