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mazephoenix) wrote2016-02-18 10:23 am
mazephoenix) wrote2016-02-18 10:23 am
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Recent tv: Fantasy edition+ SVU
Spoilers under the cut.
Magicians is trying my patience. These people are so dumb, and selfish. God, Julia quit whining and go find that magic. Felt bad for Quentin about his dad at least.
Shannara finally killed off Rovergirl's useless dad. Thank you. James Remar and his creepy charisma was wasted here. Two eps to go, can Bennett lose his shirt some more pls?
Shadowhunters was good. Yes, I know. The Malec stuff was golden. Bishonen wizard and cute Shadowhunter guy have sparks. Clary was fairly uselful and the plot is moving.
SVU has Liv dating Tucker, once agent Taylor on Oz. Taylor got hated for doing his job and trying to catch our fave serial killer. Yes, I know. Keller was already doing life, so yeah.
Didn't Tucker try to get Liv and El fired? Water under the bridge?
I hope Barba gets a bf or gf. He's too hot to be single.
Magicians is trying my patience. These people are so dumb, and selfish. God, Julia quit whining and go find that magic. Felt bad for Quentin about his dad at least.
Shannara finally killed off Rovergirl's useless dad. Thank you. James Remar and his creepy charisma was wasted here. Two eps to go, can Bennett lose his shirt some more pls?
Shadowhunters was good. Yes, I know. The Malec stuff was golden. Bishonen wizard and cute Shadowhunter guy have sparks. Clary was fairly uselful and the plot is moving.
SVU has Liv dating Tucker, once agent Taylor on Oz. Taylor got hated for doing his job and trying to catch our fave serial killer. Yes, I know. Keller was already doing life, so yeah.
Didn't Tucker try to get Liv and El fired? Water under the bridge?
I hope Barba gets a bf or gf. He's too hot to be single.
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But it's interesting how a character like Taylor, that has really few lines, wasn't bidimensional and we can talk about him even now. Good job, Tom!
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Taylor sparks a lot of feelings, and he was ruthless and his obsession with Keller caused the Television without Pity forums to name him "Agent Melonilust." Okay so they exaggerated that, and he didn't want to bone Keller but yes he was obsessed. And Keller was already doing life in prison for crimes he commited and he was guilty of killing those men too. It's telling that Toby doesn't ask him if he's guilty, but only asks if Chris has ever loved anyone like he loves Toby. Aw Toby you are so blinded by love.
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Beecher knows (and doesn't want to know, or at least doesn't want it confirmed, I think) what Keller's done. Ugh, I was so mad at Beecher for pushing Keller away right before he was going to Gary's funeral. Toby's headspace right then must have been wild. Why is it I never remember to ask these kinds of questions at fan gatherings?! Either Lee brushes up on All Things Oz or he remembers a hell of a lot from the show.
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I think somebody once wrote drywall/Keller sex. Maybe.
I know..but that's our Tobe..wearing a hairshirt all the time.
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Maybe I have this idea of the scene because in my mind Keller and Beecher always see how they really are inside. It's my weakness.
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Ahhhh, the crux of like, every B/K discussion ever! :D Honestly that's one of the most discussed things about their relationship. Was it really love? Did they truly love each other? Was Keller capable of love?
I don't think Beecher was blinded by love either; I agree with you that he already knows the kinds of things Keller is capable of, and he (stupidly) parlays that knowledge into thinking that Keller could have hurt Gary, too (oh grief, it takes over our minds). Is it more like 'real' love, to know things about someone, to know what they are capable of, and to still love them, all the parts of them?
Not that I blame Beecher at all for not trusting Keller, though this scene broke my heart a little!
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There was also the instance when Taylor was discussing the kidnapping with Toby and his family, and Taylor immediately pointed out Keller as the prime suspect. Like, really? He should've gathered more proof about Keller's involvement before divulging it to the Beechers. I know it was done to hurry the plot along and cause the rift between Chris and Toby, but still Taylor's motivations were still highly suspect to me. As you pointed out, he was more interested in finding Keller guilty than actually finding Holly and Gary. He was so preoccupied with his own agenda that he failed to do his job.
It's weird that in Oz we rooted more for the convicts because the supposed "good guys" like Taylor and the hacks weren't all that nice either. McManus smoked pot, Murphy cut Morales's tendons, and Glynn bullied Alvarez. So yeah.
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Taylor didn't even get a canon name until S5 I think? He was simply "FBI Agent."
Smoking pot =/= not being nice
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I also think it's disingenuous to equate Tim puffing on a joint with the trafficking and widespread use of heroin, which was the real drug problem in Em City. Tim showed us in many ways how he could be hypocritical. :/
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Well, marijuana is only legal so far in 23 states, and that's only for medical marijuana. It's still considered an illegal drug by the majority of US, not to mention the majority of countries. Not going to go on a debate whether marijuana is a "lesser" drug than heroin, or we are going to be going at this all night :P
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Canonically, it hasn't been proven by a court of law that Taylor put all of the words in Heekins's mouth, and he's not saying he'd absolutely do that with Beecher either. The most that we can do is to infer things: telling Beecher Q *may* lead to more information on P, therefore M; ~rearranging Beecher's words *might* mean Taylor could then do X, followed by Y; making a deal with Beecher *could* get Taylor another interview with R; etc. My theory is that Taylor wanted any crumbs of additional information that he could get, in order to make his circumstantial evidence stronger, and in turn possibly being able to turn that into something even stronger to build his case. And yeah, they were crumbs. Maybe that should have been Taylor's cue to stop investigating. Maybe there was someone else that he could have been pursuing, or maybe Keller was just one of multiple leads he was tracking down that day. We just don't know enough information to draw absolute conclusions about Taylor's heart-of-heart motivations or how he planned on treating the information that Beecher did give him. (And I think Beecher gave away a lot more than he'd planned to, in this scene).
I'm standing by my original point, which is that how Taylor set up circumstances designed to 'scare' Beecher as a way of angling for information regarding murdered teenaged boys is in no way "no better" than torturing and murdering a bunch of people (or the other horrific acts that the other actual convicted criminals have committed). I'm disagreeing with red_titan that Taylor's actions in this particular scene with Beecher are on par with proven felonious acts from the "criminals [Taylor] was chasing."
I could talk about Ozzies all day. :D
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For the first part I'm not sure that Taylor would suffer the consequences of his actions. In real life most of the time didn't happened (MaM is an exemple but in Italy we have a lot of stories like this, we suck a bit). Maybe Toby couldn't prove is implication in the false testimony, maybe the police covered up everything. Maybe it's all false instead, Heekins is not a good witness that sometime forgets things and Toby is a really good lawyer.
In both cases is an interesting storyline.
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It is such an interesting show. I love that the characters have flaws, and layers, and what is on the surface doesn't necessarily match what is underneath... so much to deconstruct! Thanks for adding your thoughts. I really enjoyed reading them.
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